Hitler committed suicide on the 1st May 1945 ( ironically the same day Osama Bin Laden was killed 66 years later). However there is still a huge obsession and interest in him. A house in Swansea, Wales became an internet sensation because it looked like Hitler. Daily new articles are published, and millions of books continue to be sold about him. So why are we so obsessed? Is Hitler really that important? Discuss and debate with each other- and keep it clean! Leave your name after each post so you can be given credit in school.
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I think Hitler is actually somebody to hate, but also love. People love him because of what he did, i mean, i think its an amazing thing of how he saved Germany! He rescued so many people's lives and maintained such order...its unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason people have to hate him is that he killed
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I think people are obsessed with him for a very simple reason, its only because noone has ever done what he has done, starting by having all that power, and finishing by all the people that he (ordered) killed...
ReplyDelete@who are: I completely disagree with you. Do you call killing people an amazing thing?
ReplyDeleteHitler killed people he didn't do it to protect the Germans but did it because of hatred he has against the Jews. That is not rescuing people.
that's not true... lots of people throughout history have done what he did, started by having all that power and ended by killing lots of people, in Congo, Japan, China, North Korea, Rwanda. the list goes on and on, hey and lets not forget about the USSR where Stalin killed way more people than Hitler did, and this was even around the same period of time in history as Hitler's mass murders do, although some how we always do. if you ask me I think its clever propaganda. history is written by the victors and its no mere coincidence that so much emphasis and attention is drawn to Hitler's atrocities,and wait.. come to think of it,what better way to do that than through the education system! I bet its what Hitler would've done. for the last term and a half almost all of what we've learned is about Hitler.what we should be asking is why are Britain, America and all the other victors of WWII so obsessed with Hitler. maybe they figure if we only look back and learn from other peoples mistakes we wont look back and notice all there's! who knows!
ReplyDelete@ahlam i dont call killing people amazing, i call the treaty of Versailles harsh and how Hitler took a step of getting into power. life just started getting better for Germany! they actually had money, they were ashamed of their country and Hitler changed it, he made them stand where they once stood. No one man can achieve what he achieved. (rest of comment removed by moderator)
ReplyDelete@ Mr. Awesome sauce i think people have made such a great deal about Hitler because of his ways of turning people against everyone even before he came to total control. His dictatorship and talent in leading armies. He was a small ass dude but he showed great power in his stance
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@who are: So wat you are saying is that jews were the misfortune of Germany,.. Those so called people who got money took it all fromtne Jews. Jews were well sheltered they had a life, jobs n families. The Germans took that from them. What hitler did to make Germany a strong country by killing all the people he disapproved of. He made a nation according to what he wanted.
ReplyDelete@ahlam: i completely agree with you. he was a brutal murderer who was blinded by his intense hatred for Jews
ReplyDelete@who are: maybe some Germans had benefited from his cruel manner but Jews most certainly didnt. no Jew would have EVER benefited from being sent to concentration and death camps and seeing their family and loved ones being killed. one has to think about things like that. do you have to brutally murder 6 million human beings to protect other people? no matter the situation, you don't just do stuff like that...
There is nothing obsessing about Hitler's actions,he wanted to own the world and in the proccess killing lot people,the hatred that still exist between Germans and Jews is as the result of Hitler, he made people to suffer because of his selfish interests,@ WHO ARE just wanted to ask what became better because German citezens were even ashamed of beeing Germans. so is that what you call life getting better for germans?
ReplyDelete@who are, yes he made life better for the germans but worse for the jews, yes he made unemployment less by taking away Jews stuff, Jews fought the independence for Germany. They deserved much better than that. That was not justice given to them and by the way he earned all that power simply because people were scared of him not because he earned it pr did anything good for it.
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ReplyDeleteI personally think that people are obsessed with Hitler because they are still trying to figure out, how someone like him could carry out such an operation and get the support of a country. Secondly and many of you might object, but even though he was cruel he was trying to get his country back to its top state. He could have been a great leader if the holocaust didnt happen because conquering a country in about a week is pretty impressive.
anoynamous ,,,or who ever u are ...even though hitler was some deranged psycho,i have to agree ,after the treaty of versaille ,germany was a complete mess ..and thats the truth ,and the reason why everyone simply said yes to what he said is because they were looking for a leader someone to bring them out of all the mess after the GW ....and hitler was the man ...to all of u ,,simply because we say amazing it dosent mean it has to be good ...people can do evil stuf which is amazing ..and thats what hitler did ...i think what makes it worse and makes us fascinated ,,is simply that the world stood by and watched it happen ,or simply why there was so little resistance ...
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Jason I have to disagree you have strong points I admit, but the reason for the obsession with Hitler, is because people want to know how such a mind worked. Your other points are quite true, to anyone out there I ask you this why are we not obsessed with other people, like Mary from England a.k.a Bloody Mary? King phase I challenge you on that one.
ReplyDelete@ ahlam and chizzle: I understand your point of view, but look at it from Who Are's angle. Hitler wasn't aiming to lead the Jews, he was there to lead Germans. Germany was in great depression, the economy was low, things were scarce. People were desperate, they needed a leader and a good one too. Hitler was their only way up. Hitler did cruel things, however he brought his country back to its pride state people loved him for that. Adding to that he was more organised than some leaders from the allies. Check this which other country do you know has conqeured a country in 8 days? He was a good leader.
ReplyDelete@ahlam: i honestly dont think he made life better for ANYONE. he was cruel, inhumane, and just plain murederous. and btw, he actually never EARNED the respect (as shown in the Donald Duck cartoon) he FORCED people to hail himm :p so you shouldnt say "EARNED all that power" instead say "GOT all that power"
ReplyDelete@Who Are: On the other hand, Hitler isn't amazing because he killed people, he lied to people just like any other typical politician. He was organised, but that might be becuase he planned it out for years. He helped Germans but really he helped himself, he exterminated people he hated. The power was clearly for his own aims and no one else's. He wanted to breed the perfect race and half of his right hand men were not of that category; he himself wasnt.You shouldn't have such vanity for such a hyprocritical small ass, if you ask me.
ReplyDelete@ahlam: i think i agree with you but he did not make life any better with his 'node' of "protection".
ReplyDelete@Chizzle: I agree TOTALLY with what you said... he was so totally cruel and should have been locked away instead of being put in power...
The debate is certainly hotting up. In response to a post by 'WHO ARE'-
ReplyDelete'why the **** are these things being censored??? yo half the things i bloody write aint appearing?!! this site sucks ass!'
- the reason for this is that they would cause offense. The purpose of the site is to discuss and debate- not to portray events such as the Holocaust and the murder of 6 million people as trivial and unimportant. Focus on the question, and justify what you say if you want your comments shown.
Mr A
@Chizzle: correction he might have forced people to say "heil Hitler" but the Germans voted for him. Most of the Nazi's (apart from the ones who tried to kill him) respected him and thought greatly of him. I dont mean to sound like I believe hollywood movies but you should watch valkryie.
ReplyDelete@arnold: um, when you said "he wasn't aiming to lead the jews, he was there to lead the germans" that made me wonder whether you actually realised that Jews were also Germans... i mean, was there ever an actual reason for Hitler hating all those Jews? and even though he hated them (for whatever reason) does that give him ANY right to go around exterminating them? how does that help Germans in ANY wayy? i mean, arent leaders meant to be impartial and loving towards their people? he wasnt a leader, he was a dictator. i mean, if i hated, ohh lets say, muslims. does that mean i should go become the president of Arabia, or something, and kill all the Muslims i can find? i mean, dont you think that's just stupid?? Hitler was anything but a leader, he did nothing for Germany, he just did all he did for his own personal game...
ReplyDeleteAas for me, i think its a good thing he commited suicide :p
ReplyDelete@Arnold: you know something? its a good thing you said "i don't mean to sound like i believe in Hollywood movies..." because i know you know they are some VERY unreliable sources...
ReplyDelete"Valkyrie" may not be a reliable account because it may OBVIOUSLY be biased...
i mean, who actually knows what was going through the minds of all those soldiers as they shot down the helpless, defenseless Jews.
They could have hated Hitler for making them do what they didn't want to do.
i mean, Valkyrie may just as well be a false account as far as you or I know.
Now, I'm not going to be ignorant and say "Why would anyone respect Hitler?" because people have their own wacky reasons. but i will ask you, would YOU respect such a vile and cruel person?
some Nazis may not have even have wanted him as their leader but were too scared 2 say soo...
@Chiizle; by Germans i mean the majority of the population and that wasn't the jews. Hitler brought back hope in people, He lifted the state of the country. Isn't that what a leader is meant to do? No leader is perfect. Chisom he didnt choose Germany, he probably lived there for most of his life, he fought for germany. As for why he hated Jews, rumours are that his father was a Jew and he was born out of wedlock. So maybe he grew up with this psychotic problem of hating his dad fopr abandoning him, just maybe. I ask you this in the tudor times why did the protestant and catholics hate each other? A suicide didn't befit such a man, he was meant to rot in jail. He was meant to be itterogated so people could find out how such a mind would work. The same with Bin Laden.
ReplyDeletei think that people are completely shocked by how and why Hitler killed so many jews. In under a 3 decades he decimated 6 million people. he did this while fighting a war and was extremely efficent at it. This had never been done befor and probably never will be done again.
ReplyDeletehe was a very clever if very deranged man and we have to remember what he did so that it never happens again
@ Chizzle Again! The movie might be biased but it did happen there were attempts on his life and this is fact. Chisom I wouldn't respect him for his outcome, but his organisation was impeccable almost invincible. They pressured the allies and again i repeat He planned the conquerence of country and defeated it in eight days, that is something i respect. The killing of the jew is horrendous and i dont respect that outcome. Remember that source we were reading, it said and i quote "30% of them retained their in Hitler till the very end" "42% between November 1942 and January 1948" professed that Nazism was a "good thing badly carried out" He was a dictator but he brought his economy up, unlike dictators nowadays who bring economy down. I totally understand that you hate him for his atrotious crimes, but at the same time Hitler was finding an answer to his "people" Aryans.
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ReplyDelete@ Johnson; for once I agree with you! But have people really learnt from it?
ReplyDelete@Arnold: i get you're point but dat doesnt change anything. He was a vile cruel idiot who deserved EXACTLY what he got..... Nd wat do u mean by 'jews werent d majority of d populationn???? I mean, 6 million is pretty plenty, if u ask mee......nd dats nuh even all d jewss.......although, u put a good argument, Mr. Sanginga.... I'll giv youuhh dat........
ReplyDelete@Chizzle AGAIn: He got what he wanted, but at the same time he helped - not only- raise the peoples hope but also bring the economy up. Chizzle 6 million out of total population of a 110 million is little. So they were not the majority in Germany. Yes there were Jews in other countries but in Germany there weren't the majority of the population. Same to Ms. Agim you do put a goodfight, though you have some deep profound hatred for someone you have never met.
ReplyDelete@Mr A: Although this is totally unrelated to the topic, do you think that it was planned for Bin Laden to die on the 1st of May to insunuate something across the world about terrorism and mass murdering?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was necessarily planned, but the world works in funny ways. A good example would be the American Presidents Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy (JFK).
ReplyDeleteLincoln was elected in 1860, Kennedy in 1960. Both were deeply involved in the civil rights struggle. The names of each contain seven letters. The wife of each President lost a son when she was First Lady. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head, from behind, and in the presence of their wives. Both presidential assassins were shot to death before they could be brought to trial. The names John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each contain 15 letters. Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Tennessee's Andrew Johnson, who followed Lincoln, was born in 1808; Texan Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908.
These dates are very coincidental. Maybe the history was a bit arranged to be told seeing the fact that they correspond to the same time of civil rights fighting.
DeleteMr A .... how do you know that, thats a bit weird. But its still a valid point
ReplyDeleteHitler was a maniac and wanted to make the world in his so called Arian race yet he wasn't in the description of it. Even the people who were in this description were not superior as shown in the 1936 Olympics after the rather fast black man Jesse Owens destroyed the Germans in 4 events. Hitler is probably as bad as the K.K.K
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ReplyDeleteWhat is your definition of Maniac? Does Hitler satisfy that category? For a man to deceive a whole country with the intention of good will for all, then manage to become a dictator legally, force communist and Jews into concentration & death camps (that were not only in Germany but all the way from Poland across to France) and manage to manipulate the whole League of Nations and the Power Nations of those days. Is that a maniac, or a man who was passionate and incredibly smart in his methods to try and achieve his goal. Yes he was a murderer in some sorts. Yes he was a dictator. But maniac is not befitting for someone like Hitler, after all do remember he never actually said he wanted all the Jews killed and the Kristallnacht was an attempt by Goebels to gain Hitler's favour after an affair with a lady friend. In conclusion, Hitler set a goal but he did not take physical action as much as his henchmen. A good leader, with an interesting, intelligent method, but the wrong idea like more and more politicians nowadays.
Hi Arnold
ReplyDeleteHitler was a totalitarian leader who sought to control every aspect of German life. He also put across his anti-semitic views in Mein Kampf- years before he got to power. Do you think events such as Kritallnacht and the Final Solution itself would ave gone ahead without his approval?
To Mr A. it went ahead with Hitler's approval, but it was not originally Hitler's idea is what am trying to say. Hitler was intelligent in the sense that even though he wanted the Jews exterminated, he let his chaotic system of 'henchmen' do the dirty work. (not sure if i phrased or stated it right. )
ReplyDeleteHitlers role is a huge source of contention among Historians. He said himself in 1933 : "Every bullet that is now fired from the barrel of a police pistol is my bullet. If that is called murder, then I have committed murder, for I have ordered it all; I take the responsibility for it". Does this not show responsibility?
ReplyDeleteYou may find the views of the historian Sir Ian Kershaw interesting on this topic. Follow this link http://ww2history.com/experts/Sir_Ian_Kershaw/Hitler_and_the_Holocaust
I think I phrased myself wrongly, what I am trying to say and what Ian Kershaw has said himself is that and I quote "actual practical steps are taken by his leading figures in the police – by Himmler, the head of the SS and the German Police, and by Heydrich, the head of the Security Police." Ian Kershaw also suggests that it was actually Heydrich and Himmler's plan from the start but they needed Hitler's approval. What I am trying to say is that Hitler was not the one who did most of the practical work and let his henchmen accomplish his targets for him, through the chaotic competitive leadership system.
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